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Silva made Lutter tap while elbows to the head. He had him in a triangle and he wasnt going to tap so he started punching him.. couldnt get enough stink on the punches so he went to the elbows... Lutter tapped shortly after.

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Lethal

I don't GIVE A FUCK ABOUT THEIR PAST, I'VE SEEN ALL THEIR FIGHTS YOU IDIOT.

It's the fact that you all said they would RUN THROUGH UFC fighters without even caring about the intangibles.
I've noticed that you fucking so called MMA fans are only saying shit THAT I'VE SAID MONTHS AGO, after your fav. fighters lose. Goddamn get over it, it was a legit loss. Terry Martin's loss was pathetic and cheap so yeah I was pissed, but no he isn't my fav. fighter, I said he has a FUTURE(and potential). Never said he was the best or anything close to it, if I did then be happy to prove it. Chuck lost fair and square, so did CC, Hendo, Shogun, Aurelio, Nog almost did, Nak failed miserably and damnit forgot the other ones...yeah I was mad, they're fighters I admire, but I'm over it...I understand it could happen. I knew Jardine could beat Chuck, but I didn't think Chuck would let this happen so I went with Chuck...I still gave Jardine a chance.

Matt E comes with this "Shogun is better than Griffin at everything" and they fight to prove this and well guess who loses and guess who makes excuses and just cannot man up that he was wrong.

I've said all along "don't count (fighter's name) out because anything can happen" and Matt E like the idiot he is, twists it around like I am bashing the fighter he likes. LOL he did that in the Tim Sylvia thread when I said Fedor can be beaten, anyone can...he twisted it like I said Tim Sylvia would own him and blah blah blah.....

now that PRIDE fighters lost, their nuthuggers are making excuses and come pull the "anyone can lose" card when months ago they were saying "I can't wait for him to run through so and so"

smh, idiots. You guys just NOW started seeing what I saw a long time ago....when I said "Cro Cop needs to watch out for the ground against Gonzaga." all of you was like "but that wont happen cuz he will knock Gonzaga out" then u come with this "perfecting ur striking in the octagon takes a couple of fights" oh come on dude....just man up that you were wrong and quit bitching.

I mean I gassed up Terry Martin as the FUTURE...a kid with POTENTIAL if he works really hard at it. I never said he'd destroy everyone now....THAT is the difference between my gassing up Martin and ya'll gassing up every other ranked fighter.



oh and Anderson only fought in like 5 PRIDE fights.

MATT E

YOUR once again a moron, if you go to my thread on ufc 76 i say that Forrest is going to impressive alot of people and hes going to hang in their with Shogun but loose a decision. See You put words into my mouth, theres your proof.

I dont twist shit, i gave you my impinion on why Fedor will not be beat and I stand by it, whats wrong with defending a fighter?

Lethal you just say things to start an arguement or be the underdog, hoping that you will prove everyone wrong when infact you haven't, so you know what grow a brain leave these forums where your obviously not wanted and head over to sherdog where you belong.



And for the reference you stated many times up how terry martin is the future of the decision and i can recall you saying that after he beats Leben he should get a shot at the title?? And how you talked Gonzaga like he is some great fighter then steps in the octagon and showed nothing impressive. You've got a lok to learn ALOT!

Shogun_5446

MATT E > Lethal.

end of thread.

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Final

Are there any Steriods or enhancers that are legal in Japan that are illegal here? When I worked for the Post Office there were certian Energy drinks in Japan that couldn't even be shipped into the US because of some of the shit in them.

But honestly Pride, as an organization not talking about it's fighters, seems more like a cesspool the more information that comes out about it. Paying legit fighters extra if they lose by KO, apparently not having a steriods policy (but Japan's doping policies might not be as harsh as ours.)

But there are a lot of other variables too... Cro Cop is getting old and was over confident in the Gonzaga fight. And I'm sorry but you could listen to Coutre and see what Gonzaga did, people have him figured out and he failed to adjust. Rampage said his training over in Japan was a joke compared to what he's doing back here but Cro Cop refused to train in a cage until he got embarassed.

And with the exception of Ramage and a few others most of the Pride imports got thrown to the Sharks immediately... Hendo's first fight was against Rampage and his second fight is gonna be another title match, Cro Cop got 2 very hard first fights. Shogun's first fight is against a fighter most people had as being overwhelmed but Coutre had Griffen pegged as the winner if you listened the the prefight talk. Wandi's first fight is gonna be against chuck.

There are a lot of reasons why Pride fighters are or aren't winning you just have to step back and look at them all.

MATT E

Thats a very good point final, these fighters are still the best in the world, but they are losing to some of the best in the world.

IMO, all of this revolves around Crocop. Ever since he got kicked in the head by Gonzaga the world has counted pride out. And lost a DECISION to Kongo, i wouldn't count Henderson considering he fought another pride fighter. And the only other 1 is Shogun. So all this pride vs. ufc contraversy is bullshit. 2 fighters lost who shouldn't off then all of a sudden people, alot of poeple, not everyone, turn their backs on fighters.

Whos not to say that Crocop will come back 10 times stronger and dominate the division. Or that Shogun was seriously hurt but now is recovering and at only 25 he will make a full come back and one day be the champion?

paq13

i can say for absolute certainty that there is no way to physically tell if someone is on steroids from just how he looks. You'd be shocked at who is juicing and who isn't. Tim sylvia? please. I think even rogan said sylvia mentioned taking them to get a better 'look' and that obviously failed miserably.

that said, i'm not doubting anything said in the OP


oh
and i would like to see a melding of the rules a bit. I'd like elbows on the ground, but i also like knees and kicks to downed opponents. I think the UFC 5 minute rounds make for faster pacing in a fight as a fighter can't wear someone down for 3-5 minutes, THEN start their real offense. UFC requires fighters to be offensive far more often. I think 'that' hurt crocop as much as the elbows on the ground. with 3 5 minute rounds that are judged evenly, a fighter has to pace himself more offensively. there is simply less time to get things done and every second counts.

I do wish UFC would change their judges. I think the 3 round 10 point system really sucks. I kinda wish they would base it on the whole fight..mainly so tim sylvia won't win anymore...I also think they need to get a more specialized judging system. Jabs and headkicks probably shouldn't count the same...take downs aren't counted by some and are counted by others, takedown stuffs aren't counted by some and are by others, and it's just hard to know what a judge is thinking when you get some of these decisions, ala hammil/bisping.

That said, i think steroids in pride may have had an effect on a lot of their fighters in the transition to the UFC, but i think the rule changes and strategy changes play just as important of a role.

MATT E

Yeah I agre PAQ, while steroids would play a role in fights, it comes down to who has the overall skills. Steroids can only take you sar far, but when you have a very talented skill set, you can go a lot farther.