Were Pride fighters on the juice? - Page 2

Robert_Lake · 09-18-2007

well jsut look at Vitor or Royce 5 years ago and look at them now. Youguys are right though you cant always tell, also if a UFC fighter wanted to juice they could just as easily as any other org. Drug tests only happen after events so if a fighter wanted to he could do a cycle of steroids or 2 to put on weight or muscle or whatever he wants, then stop and in 3 months or more down the road fight and then test negative.

The original articel was basically saying that without steroids PrideFC would not have been the organization it was.

All i'm saying is the UFC could learn a thing or 2 from PrideFC instead of bury in the ground and forget about it. The ring makes for a more fast paced fight, the japanese rules also make for a more exciting and more competitive fight (since a fighter can be kicked in the head when he is down he is forced to be aware and more active, also no elbows makes it so the fighter on top cant just sit in a dominant position and throw elbows all round and win by decision or a cut.) Also the entire presentation of Pridefc was better.

That is what made Pride great, not steroid use amungst fighters. If there UFC were to try a few things that pride did im sure they would have more exciting shows aswell.

MuayThai4Life · 09-18-2007

I love the kicks and knees the the head of a downed opponent rule. I think it should be implemented because it would give guys like Randy and Sherk another weapon when people just curl up in a ball and try to stall. But I think elbows should be legal. it's MMA, Mixed Martial Arts, Those rules should all apply. I agree with no eye gouge, or head butts or groin shots, but other than that, knees elbows punches and kicks should apply.

81supporter · 09-18-2007

yes i agree, soccer kicks and head stomps would make the ufc way better. there have been so many fights that could have been ended or made more exciting if the fighters were allowed to stomp on there opponents face or kick there teeth down there throats with a soccer kick. this rule would benefit a lot of ufc fighters, and make the fighters who like to just lay on the ground be more active and try harder to get to there feet or try and take there opponent back down to the mat and work there ground game.

Robert_Lake · 09-19-2007

I'm a big fan of elbows too, but i dont like seeing elbows on the ground. Honestly, have you ever seen a fighter KO someone on the ground with an elbow? Elbows when standing im all for and in the clinch, for sure, I just dont think elbows on the ground make the fight anymore exciting. All they really do is cut people.

The UFC should us the open guard rule that they use in cage rage. What the open guard rule is, is when the referee calls out "open guard" then PrideFC rules ould apply (kicks, stomps and knees to a downed opponent are allowed). So basically whenever the fighters get to close to the fence the referee will tell them "no open guard" and then its back to regular UFC rules.

Since the UFC has built it's image around the Octagon i highly doubt they will be switching to a ring anytime soon. The open guard rule would be the next best thing IMO. I would love to see this happen.

MuayThai4Life · 09-21-2007

Gonzaga really hurt Cro Cop with elbows on the ground. Even Mirco said it was the elbows that dazed him. And that fight didn't get stopped due to cuts. I know a lot of stoppages due to cuts come from elbows on the ground. But I think it's something that should stay.

MATT E · 09-23-2007

This is confusing me, Shogun looked like he had a little extra weight and didnt have the build he normally does in fights. This ongoing saga is raising alot of questions in my mind.....

Lethal · 09-24-2007

I dunno if they regulate drug tests in Japan, but PRIDE is fucking overrated

they came to the UFC and got beat the fuck up...case closed, quit bitching, steroids or not, they fucking lost...overrated motherfuckers....like I always say..never count a fighter out.

Robert_Lake · 09-24-2007

Lethal, everytime you make a post you make yourself look more stupid. Considering your favourite fighter is Terry Martin, who sucks ass, and you constantly contradict yourself, i highly doubt anybody takes into consideration anything you have to say.

Rampage is the undisputed champ, he fought for Pride and worked the UFC's longest reiging champion. Anderson Silva was a former PrideFC fighter and he undefeated and still champion. In fact he made Rich Franklin, who everyone thought was a possible double title holder, look like an amateir when they fought.

Machida also fought in PrideFC and he is undefeated in the UFC aswell.

Other than Mirko Cro Cop most Pride fighters have done alright. Shogun didnt even look too bad last night eventhough he hadnt fought in a long time. You can tell he was out of gas sometime in the 2nd round.

You also have to remember that PrideFC was boughten out quite some time ago now, so lots of those fighters havent fought since, and that makes a huge difference.

If you ask me it all depends on your style and the fighter. Henderson and RAmpage are natural wrestlers, and the UFC rules are better suited for wrestlers than anything else.

Perfecting your striking in the Octagon takes usually at least a couple fights. Cro Cop's fighting stle is gearded more toward ring fighting than cage fighting. THe ring is 4 sides instead of 8 and becasue ther is no cage to lean on or press up agaisnt it frees up more space for strikers.

MATT E · 09-24-2007

Robert you just broke it down better then anyone ever has.

People are making their decisions based on 2 fighters, shogun and crocop.
Henderson fought great and IMO was close to winning that fight againt rampage many times. Rampage was knocked out by silva twice and pride and completly dominated by shogun, then he comes to ufc and wins the belt?

Anderson silva was a sub par fighter who was 3-2 in pride and showed nothing extremely impressive. Then he comes in and knocks out chris leben (who knocked out martin) and beats Franklin. hmmm so whos better?

Its 2 fighters from pride who haven't performed to their highest level. I mean do you know who shoguns beat? lil Nogueira, arona, ramapage, Nakamura, overeem, all fighters that you can argue to beat Forrest on any given night.

We haven't seen some of their best perform....: fedor, their heavily stacked LW division, fighters like dennis kang, paulo filho, misaki,arona, nogueira,barnett, hunt, all fighters who are capable of being champions, and we have only seen 2.

(sherdog)

daywealldie · 09-27-2007

thats kind of been an argument of mine for a while RL. i always thought that elbows on the ground is one of the dumbest ideas dana wanted as a UFC rule. like you said they stop fight pre-maturely cause all they do is cut people. well i dont know about you guys, but it reallly ticks me off when fights end in stupid cuts.. but anyway i think if the fertitta's decided to adopt knees and kicks to downed opponent along with elbows on the ground we could see some VERY interesting fights.. fighters like shogun, wanderlei, fedor would definetely utilize that into their games/ then theres the fighters who fight under UFC rules.. how would they use their GnP and elbows with guys who are trying to kick them and knee them at a shoot? im sure we will never really know that so im sorry for blabberin on about what will never happen. but its a dream