Jamie

Reading through, you both have different arguments.

Chin Chekka you are saying that a Boxer that trains MMA can be successfull, and that is true if the boxer has the right training. A boxer can make it as an excellent MMA fighter as long as he knows what he is doing when the fight hits the mat.

But the odds are you throw Roy Jones with 3 months BJJ experience against a fighter like Jason Lambert the odds are he will be taken down and pounded out very early on. You throw Lambert in a boxing match with Roy Jones, he will be K.O'ed early.

Basically the arguments are different. Chekka is stating a Boxer that trains MMA for a long period can be successfull. What the rest of us are saying you take a Boxer with little MMA experience he will get tooled.

Also I consider Marcus Davis and Butterbean MMA fighters, they have a boxing background which is more than a lot of C level fighters have to start with, they have to learn the Boxing, Muay Thai, BJJ, Wrestling and so on.

da chin checka

Okay my friend. here is my point though. Why do you think Cro Cop and Bas Rutten who were primary strikers quickly adapted to learning grappling defenses to do better in MMA? Because they were not your ordinary kickboxers, they were superior athletes which stood out in their own game. It makes sense to say that in general that a ordinary pure boxer would need a bit of time to adapt to MMA. But guys like Roy Jones and Tyson were not your ordinary boxers. These guys were superior athletes that stood out from other boxers. They were great because of there excellent speed, power, and agility but also because they had their own style in boxing. If Cro Cop and Rutten can do it so can great fighters like Tyson and Jones. These guys were no push overs and had the athletism to adapt quickly. Man Tyson almost broke McBride's arm with a arm bar from a clinch in his last fight!!!!

Here's another example to further explain what i'm talking about. Mark Hunt who is a primary striker and a pure kickboxer (former K-1 Champion) was submitted quickly by Josh Bernett in less than 2 minutes last year. 4 months later Hunt gave Fedor a very tough fight on the ground!!!! Hunt had Fedor in a keylock attempt. Hunt show incredinle ground improvement in 4 months because he was a great kickboxer who stood out from the rest, because of his abilities as a athelete.

Lets say even IF Tyson and Jones was to get submitted, it would only be fair to say that it would not be easy and it would take a top MMA fighter to do it. If a boxer could not touch a prime Jones or Tyson in their own sport, what makes anyone think that a wrestler would have it any easier in touching them? And falling in a clinch with a boxer is risky because the boxer can lay combos as I seen it happen. There is always different factors involved and it all depends on the skill level both fighters.


Another thing, you will be surprise to learn that alot of the top ranking boxers has cross train in other skills. Vlad Klitshko was a former Professional kickboxer and his brother Wlad has train in kickboxing with him. Larry Holmes was a wrestler in high school and so was Jeremy Williams, Tyson was a street fighter (meaning he was experience in using more than just his hands, that is why he would throw quick elbows in a clinch to get his opponents off.). Chris Byrd has a purple belt in BJJ. Ali took Taekwondo. Alot of these Pro boxers actually have other skills other than boxing that people don't know about.


P.S. Diego sanchez is training with Oscar De La Hoya for his next fight. Sanchez is not playing around!!!!

gaara

wow, this is probably, mega old, an i could be repeating someone, but anyway.

when i think of ufc, pride, k1 etc.. i think of a simulated "streetfight".


When people say you cant compare the two, bollocks!!!

just imagine the two, boxer an mma guy, in a street fight. i would say out of 10 situations the boxer would lose 9 of them.

e.g a street fight usually starts from pushing, grappler would win hands down.

anyone ever thought about the fact, that legs are longer than arms?

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Robert_Lake

Very True, and blocking a kick from a guy like Mirko is a little different than blocking a punch.

If the HW boxing champ fought Fedor in an MMA match and they wound up in the clinch, the boxer would get Judo tossed and probably armbarred within a minute or 2.

As for Tyson almost breaking McBrides arm in a boxing match, im pretty sure armbars are against the rules in boxing. Tyson is washed up he cant box at a competitive level anymore and he would get his ass kicked in MMA. He would wind up biting someone.

The only way a boxer beats an MMA fighter is if its in a boxing match.

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grawl

i am looking forward to seeing the upcoming fight between de la hoya & mayweather. i think it should be a good fight, and the boxing scene needs a good fight. there hasn't been much action in the boxing world lately, so it would be nice to see a classic boxing match. i am still a fan of boxing, but mma has been over shadowing the sport for awhile now. it would be great to see boxing make a come back.

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Berzerker

Holy shit what a read!! lol. Nice informative post with lots of correct points.

Im not gonna try and debate it to much but I will say this. If a Boxer stepped in the ring with anyone from TUF or a moderatly skilled fighter they would lose 80% of the time in my opinion. The reason I say this is simply due to the fact that an MMA fighter would KNOW he was a strictly boxer and would just push him up against the fence... get a takedown and go to work. The 20% I gave the boxer is for KO'ing the MMA fighter on the way in for a takedown. Im not gonna say I am anywhere near a Pro... but I would feel comfortable fighting Roy Jones Jr. in an MMA match. All boxers worry about is hands.... Leg kicks and the like would completly throw a boxer off any gameplan he may have. They would not know how to defend or block a leg kick and would not have the proper leg stamina that a kickboxer such as myself has built up. One shin on shin kick to a boxer and he wont be able to stand. You can negate any advantage a boxer has by sending out kicks. Also the cage comes into play but thats a whole different aspect.

Great Debate!!

Berz out

MuayThai4Life

We have boxers come to my gym where I train kickboxing. There trainers like for them to get a different feel for other martial arts, and they have our pro's spar with their pro's. And I agree with Checka in that the superior boxers on their team adapt fast and change their posture to handle fighting a kickboxer. When they first start out they take their boxing stance, legs all wide apart and it only takes a couple of leg kicks to let them know thats not the stance to be having. The better ones start to emulate the kickboxers stance and rely on their superior hand speed and then end up doing pretty well. So IF the boxer is training to fight an MMA fight and is a superior athlete he can do well.. Take Marcus Davis, Cro Cop, Hunt, and others for example. But if a boxer is going to come in thinking his boxing is so superior he can take on any other disapline and win by relying on his boxing he will lose. Shooting a single leg on a boxer is almost a given. and you can shoot low enough on that fron leg to avoid any real damage too.

Boxers win boxing. Thats about it.

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MuayThai4Life

Butterbean = 9 wins and 3 losses in MMA. Not bad for a over weight over the hill Pro Boxer who not in the same league as Tyson or Jones.

Marcus Davis = 10 wins and 3 losses in MMA. Not bad for a boxer who never made it to the top ranks.

Jeremy Williams = 2 Wins no Losses in MMA. Debuted in December 2006 in MMA.

CASE CLOSE!!!!!!

Marcus Davis's 3 losses came from him trying to be just a boxer. And Butterbean had 2 losses early on also because he was too raw for MMA. And on top of that if y ou ask Marcus Davis if he's a boxer he shouts from the root tops that he's not. He even said boxers wont do well in MMA unless they turn themselves into MMA fighters. And then they aren't boxers anymore, They are MMA fighters.

Chuck Liddell also came from highschool and college wrestling, So mix that in with his Kempo and Kickboxing and he's already a mixed martial artist.

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Jamie

MT4Life is correct.

Someone with a boxing background can be sucessfull in MMA. But only if they train MMA and try and evolve into an MMA fighter.

Pretty boy Floyd has been talking a lot of shit about MMA and the UFC recently, I can guarentee you if he steps into a cage with Sherk he'll be beaten in under 3 minutes.

Why talk the smack if you aren't willing to back it up, we all know he wouldn't step in a cage with Sherk, so why talk shit about the sport?

Lethal

Oh really? What has this peice of shit Mayweather been saying about MMA? He's already going to get whooped by Oscar, don't make us sic' an MMA fighter on that ass now.