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Old 02-26-2007   #21 (permalink)
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WOW! that is so long that I am not even going to start to read it. My head will hurt

I will state my opinion on this topic very simply and to the point. You can take whoever you rank as the greatest boxer of all time from any weight class and put him in the ring under full Mixed Martial Arts rules against whoever you rank the greatest MMA guy of all time at the same weight class and the MMA fighter will win.

Now change that to a boxing ring, under boxing rules and the boxer takes it.

It is that simple. In my humble opinion.
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Has anyone seen any good fighters that have boxing skills or excel at it in an MMA match? Sure I've seen a lot of decent and talented stand up fighters, but I've yet to see one that actually concentrates on boxing.

I think it is because boxing is inferior when compared with MMA. Do you think that any professional boxer would even have a slight chance versus an average (not good) MMA fighter?


Sorry bro. But you definetly don't know the true fundamentals of boxing. MMA fighters would never come close to knowing what boxing really is. MMA fighters only know the simple basics of boxing. There is the side steps, knowing to counter boxing techniques, bob and weaving, knowing how to cut the ring or octogon, proper footing, porper punching technique and that does not include the usual MMA style "heymakers". Why do you think Silvia got embarrash by Randy Couture? Because Couture took boxing in the army. Silvia could not touch him. Rampage embarrash Liddell with pure boxing skills. So did Couture the first time. Belfort embarrash the tank Abbott and Silva with pure boxing skills and no grappling at all. Imagine what Roy Jones or even Tyson would have done.

Butterbean has a MMA record of 9 wins 3 losses, not bad for a over the hill overweight Pro Bopxer making a transition from Boxing to MMA. How about Marcus Davis who is 10 wins with 3 losses? Not bad for a mediocre Pro Boxer making the same transition. Now imagine what the Tysons, the Jones, the Lewis and Briggs and Klitskco would have done.

Point blank bro, you fit the same category of guys who always denounce boxers, which are white guys from the suburbs who would never fit the demographics that would be attracted to the urban culture that Boxing has manifested over the years. I notice that trend and I have to say, it is pretty sad.
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WOW! that is so long that I am not even going to start to read it. My head will hurt

I will state my opinion on this topic very simply and to the point. You can take whoever you rank as the greatest boxer of all time from any weight class and put him in the ring under full Mixed Martial Arts rules against whoever you rank the greatest MMA guy of all time at the same weight class and the MMA fighter will win.

Now change that to a boxing ring, under boxing rules and the boxer takes it.

It is that simple. In my humble opinion.

Guys like you make no sense at all. Cro Cop, Liddell, Bas Rutten and Muarice Smith all made the transition from kickboxing to MMA and has done really well. So why not Boxers? Butterbean and Marcus Davis has done well for boxers who are not even at the top of Boxing any more (Davis was never at the top to begin with and Butterbean was always seen more as a circus act, but they manage to well in MMA).

MMA is not a sport of it's own like Boxing or Kickboxing, it is Mix Martial Arts which gives fighters of different techniques and styles changes to succeed. It is not a wrestling match or a Jujitsu submission match, it is Mix Martial Arts.

Repeat that 10 times sloooooowly, MIX-MARTIAL-ARTS.
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This is an excellent thread thread. Some very good posts.


I for one would love to see the #1 boxer in any weight class try and jump ship to MMA and see how he does. I still think he'd have a rough time either way. If someone is good on the ground chances are the boxer gets tapped. If its a good stand up fighter the boxer is fighting then he has a better chance however a high kick to the head is not something a boxer is used to blocking, or even leg kicks for that matter. 2 or 3 good leg kicks on a boxer would deffinetly open him up for the superman punch.

Just my opinion though. Cheers

Butterbean = 9 wins and 3 losses in MMA. Not bad for a over weight over the hill Pro Boxer who not in the same league as Tyson or Jones.

Marcus Davis = 10 wins and 3 losses in MMA. Not bad for a boxer who never made it to the top rankS.

Jeremy Williams = 2 Wins no Losses in MMA. Debuted in December 2006 in MMA.

CASE CLOSE!!!!!!

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I think it is because boxing is inferior when compared with MMA. Do you think that any professional boxer would even have a slight chance versus an average (not good) MMA fighter?

Boxers make so much money in Boxing, why would they want to go to MMA? That is why you never seen a pure boxer go into MMA. Yet Belfort, Couture and others took Boxing before they ever entered MMA. But to answer that question asked about if a Pro Boxer would do well in MMA agsint a average MMA fighter, let me again respost this:



Butterbean = 9 wins and 3 losses in MMA. Not bad for a over weight over the hill Pro Boxer who not in the same league as Tyson or Jones.

Marcus Davis = 10 wins and 3 losses in MMA. Not bad for a boxer who never made it to the top ranks.

Jeremy Williams = 2 Wins no Losses in MMA. Debuted in December 2006 in MMA.

CASE CLOSE!!!!!!


Jeremy Williams was a top ranking Boxer when he was boxing. He never won a major Heavyweight title but he is the most skillfull high ranking boxer to ever step foot into MMA. Alot of people will finally shut their mouths once and all because of him. And I have to say, these people are getting really annoying already
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I think we have a big boxing fan on the website. .
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LOL at this guy. He takes examples of three boxers that have done alright against C level fighters in MMA and that is his case for how all boxers would do in the sport against top level Mixed Martial Artists. Again LOL.

Let's just completely forget about the shitloads of boxers who turned MMA fighters who got their asses handed to them because they had no wrestling or sub defense.

BTW, Bas was a Muay Thai fighter not a kickboxer bro. Big difference. Boxing has no comparison to Muay Thai.

I don't recall anyone here saying that no boxers would stand a chance in the sport, just that 9 times out of 10 they would lose if they had only boxing. I think you missed that one by a mile bro. Do you honestly think that if your God Butterbean stepped in with Fedor he would be able to do anything to him other than hope to catch him with a big KO punch?

And it's Mixed Martial Arts, not MIX.

Go back to the boxing gym bro. This is a mixed martial arts forum, not a boxing is getting outshined my a real combat sport so I want to get all pissy about it forum.
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I have just one thing to say to Mr da chin checka. It's not 1993 anymore sir.
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I have just one thing to say to Mr da chin checka. It's not 1993 anymore sir.


What does that have to do with anything if you don't mind explaning yourself?
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And one more thing. Jason does have a point. This ain't 1993. This argument is really irrelevant. Boxers who makes transitions into MMA now a days will know well enough to cross train including in sprawling and other such defenses. Funny how you people not only think that Boxers are not "real" fighters but that they are also not that smart.

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